Oddly enough, this may be more literal than tongue-in-cheek.
yeah cause Obama caused all of the violence in the area those children are leaving. Obama put all of those children on the train and journey that almost kills the families that travel in the United States
Obama Obama Obama. Obama just causes all of the “problems” our country has, right?
Fuck off to whoever made this comic.
No, he did not cause violence in those areas. However, his non-enforcement policies have made it abundantly clear that once you get here, you probably won’t be turned away. But why would Obama want to turn any of these people away? They’re going to be good Democrat voters if they can only be granted amnesty…which is why Democrats are really working towards getting that passed.
If Obama cared at all about these poor “children”, he would put them all on a one-way flight back to their home countries. If they have family already here illegally who paid for them to travel here and cross the border, then, we’ll happily pay for their ticket as well. That’s why if kids just crawled over your fence and started camping out in your backyard, you don’t just leave them there, you kindly and safely get them back to their actual home as soon as possible.
Evacuation isn’t a cakewalk. People don’t do it for fun. People do it as a last resort because they can’t keep living where they are now. Whether that is because of violence, political turmoil, poverty, or whatever-the-hell-else. These kids would not be safer or better off back in their home countries. People resort to illegal immigration because they have no options left, and people sacrifice everything, all of their funds, their safety, and more, to get their children better lives in better places, even if that means that those lives are led away from their families. Don’t act like sending them back to their “actual homes” would be a sign of “caring” or even a good or decent thing to do.
For the record, if a bunch of kids camped out in my backyard for the hell of it, I’d be pissed. If they were running away from abusers, homelessness, poverty, and gang wars, I’d invite them in and get them a hot chocolate.
Except you’d be inviting them in permanently and supplying their hot chocolate permanently because they don’t know how to provide their own for themselves. Then other kids would get wind of this great deal they got from your hospitality and they would also jump your fence. Before long you have 40 kids living in your house, all saying they’re running away from abusers, homelessness, poverty, and gang wars as excuses to get your free hot chocolate. When are you going to draw the line and send them home? They can’t stay in your home forever drinking hot chocolate.
You do also realize that we have gang violence, poverty, homelessness, and abuse already in the cities these children are being escorted to here in the United States, right? Many of these “children" are the perpetrators of these awful acts too. Now, we have to deal with them.
Sometimes the compassionate thing is to do the hard thing. Send these people home, we have our own problems.
"Send these people home, we have our own problems."
Exactly what Jesus would do. *sigh*
Yeah…you know, from approx 1938 through 1941, America had that same attitude about Jewish immigrants who were fleeing their European homes. The German ocean liner, MS St. Louis, attempted to evacuate 936 Jewish refugees out of Europe. After Cuba, the United States, and Canada, all refused them entry into their countries, the MS St. Louis was forced back home. Of the 936 Jews on board, 254 ended up dying in concentration camps because “we can’t save you, we got our own problems here ya know”. You know what that means? To me, it means that Cuba, the United States, Canada were complicit in 254 murders.
Now, before you all start flooding me with angry anons, I am in no way comparing the situations these kids fled from to the Holocaust. I’m just saying, America has had this attitude towards immigrants and refugees before and it ended in those refugees’ murders.
You know what, maybe these kids shouldn’t have tried to enter America illegally, but desperate times call for desperate measures and when your life is being threatened, you do everything possible (and yes, even illegal, to save yourself). If someone is chasing me down the street trying to kill me and I see a fence I can jump to get away from them, you really think I’m gonna say, “no, I’ll just stay here because if I jump that fence to save my life, I’d be illegally trespassing on that person’s property and, oh dear me, we can’t have that!” And if someone jumped your fence in the middle of the night and stormed through your door uninvited screaming “someone’s trying to attack me! Please help! Please let me stay here! Please don’t send me away!” You would honestly say, “no! Get the Hell out! Go back where you came from!”? You seriously would?
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
I think maybe we should remove that poem from the base of the Statue of Liberty because apparently that’s not what America stands for anymore.
Did you read anything I just wrote above? You are still acting on the premise that these are all children, when in fact they are not. Many of them took more risks crossing Mexico to get to our border than they’ve ever faced in their hometowns. Some were raped, robbed, or murdered on their journey. Why? Because they knew once they got here the likelihood of getting turned away was slim to none. Plus, their family members have been sending money to get them here.
Those that came to Ellis Island did so lawfully. They went through the process the right way. The US sent home many of the sick, mentally ill, unskilled, or criminals that came through. Meanwhile, we have people that have been deported time and time again and still come back to our country today. Many of them are unskilled, uneducated, criminal, diseased or worse…and they’re coming to a neighborhood near you.
Also, Jesus taught to show compassion for others but also that the law of the land must be obeyed of face punishment. So, spare me the biblical lectures. Blaming the US, Canada, and Cuba for the death of 250 Jews because they were turned away is pretty low considering they had no earthly idea the fates of Jews in Germany at that time. There was a reason why the Immigration Act of 1924 was passed and enforced at that time.
"You are still acting on the premise that these are all children, when in fact they are not."
No children here:
I don’t see a single child in this photograph:
Nope, still no kids:
Still no children:
Definitely no children here:
Wow, you’re absolutely right! Of all these photos I found of the immigrants we’re talking about, not ONE contains any children! These are definitely not photos of innocent children. These are clearly photos of hardened criminals trying to break into our homes, rob us blind, kill our babies, steal our shitty minimum wage jobs, take our welfare, start gangs, draw graffiti on our abandoned buildings, and probably purposely get themselves pregnant twenty times just so they can have the fun of using government money have a lot of free abortions.
"Blaming the US, Canada, and Cuba for the death of 250 Jews because they were turned away is pretty low considering they had no earthly idea the fates of Jews in Germany at that time."
Whether you know what you’re doing or not, if you help someone murder someone you help someone murder someone. If someone comes knocking on my door begging me to let them in and I refuse, and I later found out that that person was fleeing from a murderer and my refusal to help them allowed that murderer to kill them…well, even though I didn’t knowing that by refusing them I was contributing to their murder, I’d sure feel guilty, like I contributed to their murder. Wouldn’t you? And if we send these kids back, KNOWING full well of the dangers we’d be sending them back to, that means we’d be complicit in whatever happens to them. And if you’re okay with that then I can’t even try to reason with someone so cold and unfeeling and unempathetic and heartless and just plain inhuman.
I hate to keep entertaining your ridiculous emotional arguments, but I did indeed say “You are still acting on the premise that these are all children, when in fact they are not." I even dropped a link to reiterate my point (hint: maybe you should have read it). I never said there were no children crossing the border. Yes, many are criminals and gang members. But thanks for all the photos. Very productive, but pointless.
Whether you know what you’re doing or not, if you help someone murder someone you help someone murder someone. If someone comes knocking on my door begging me to let them in and I refuse, and I later found out that that person was fleeing from a murderer and my refusal to help them allowed that murderer to kill them…well, even though I didn’t knowing that by refusing them I was contributing to their murder, I’d sure feel guilty, like I contributed to their murder.
What a great example of a slippery slope argument appealing to my emotional reaction. If a complete stranger came to my door saying they were “fleeing immediate danger,” I might feel sympathy of course. I’d may even immediately protect them within reason and call the authorities. Who wouldn’t? On the other hand, if another complete stranger were to come to my door and say, “let me in because I don’t like my house because my neighborhood is scary,” I’d kindly tell them to grow up and deal with it themselves. Sometimes that’s the right thing to do. If they were murdered three weeks later, I’d feel a little contrition but there is no way for me to know they were going to be killed. That is why it is wrong to blame the US for not allowing the US St. Louis to dock. I can’t be responsible for everyone in my neighborhood just like the US can’t be responsible for everyone in the world.
If you are so open to free borders with anyone and everyone coming in at random, then please by all means sleep with your front door open at night. Go ahead. You never know when someone may be fleeing for their lives to find asylum in your safe home. Put your empathy where your mouth is and embrace an open home policy.
So, I looked at your umm… link (which by the way, any article that quotes Fox *ahem* “News” - whose reputation for trying to pass off outright lies as news is so great that it’s actually against Canadian law to air Fox News on a Canadian network because Canada has this law that says the news must tell the truth - automatically loses any credibility it ever had with me).
But we seem to have a misunderstanding here. Your link says that “some immigrants who try to cross the border illegally are criminals”. You’re talking about immigrants in general, whereas I’m talking about these specific people…the actual individual human beings pictured above, who are refugees, not criminals. Obviously, we shouldn’t open our doors to criminals. Would it really hurt America so horribly to try and help them? Now that they’re here to at least try to help these people in need and see if they’re at least willing to try to go through the legal process of immigrating legally and eventually maybe becoming American citizens? Would it really hurt America so very very much to try?
"if another complete stranger were to come to my door and say, “let me in because I don’t like my house because my neighborhood is scary,” "
See, the thing is, they’re not fleeing their homes because “their neighborhood is scary”. They’re fleeing because they ARE in life-threatening danger if they stay. Crossing the border was their last resort to save their and their children’s lives. Can you blame them for trying? You really want to punish these children and send them back to the suffering they fled from because they didn’t complete the proper paperwork? THAT is heartless. It really is.
"That is why it is wrong to blame the US for not allowing the US St. Louis to dock"
First of all, the ship was called the MS St. Louis. Second, like I said before, (if you would’ve read it) I’m not BLAMING the US for sending Jews away to their deaths. I’m saying the US is responsible for the decision it made that day and the role they played in the resulting consequences. And actually, the horrible circumstances that those Jews were fleeing from which WERE known to the US was bad enough that forcing those refugees back to those conditions which they’d fled from was a completely uncompassionate thing for the US to do and it’s a black mark on US history. And it would be just as uncompassionate to do the same to this group of refugees.
"US can’t be responsible for everyone in the world."
Well, the US military sure does try to be, doesn’t it? Funny how when the US can send troops to some far off country to kill people it’s, “we need to do this to help those in need”. But when people in need show up on their doorstep, suddenly it’s, “well we can’t help everyone.”
"If you are so open to free borders with anyone and everyone coming in at random"
That is not what I said AT ALL. Obviously, we should make sure the people trying to enter our home aren’t criminals, and making sure that these people are who they say they are and aren’t trying to dupe us in some way WILL take time and manpower, but in my opinion, helping these people who are in need would make it well worth the bother. And obviously, people who try to cross the border and move into our country should go through the proper channels and fill out the correct legal documents. But if they (people like the children pictured above) don’t know how or what to do to accomplish that or if they simply can’t accomplish that, does it really honestly hurt us sooooo much to at least try to help them along? To give them a leg up. Would it really really be so horrible for us to give them a helping hand?
• Linking to Fox News does not make the story false no matter how much you do not like/trust Fox News.
• Canada does not have a ban on Fox News.
• I am not talking about immigrants in general, I am referring to all illegal immigrants including the children in your photos. They crossed the border illegally to move here; therefore they are illegal immigrants or illegal aliens by definition.
• Some of these illegal immigrants (both adult, teen and child) are criminals. You do not know this when they just run across the border. So, again, I ask you, how do you know if you are letting criminals into this country? Do you believe they brought their rap sheets with them?
• These children and adults are not refugees. They’ve lived in dangerous neighborhoods for years and years. They are here for our opportunity and to live; not to escape persecution. Pull your head out for a second and smell reality. The “refugee” term was cooked up by the UN. Remember, thousands of dollars have been paid by illegal aliens living and working in the US to bring them here.
• No one is saying we shouldn’t take care of these people. We should take proper care of them and make sure they get safely back to their homes in their own countries. Would it really hurt America so very very much to try? Lady, do you have any idea how far in debt our country is?
• “I’m not BLAMING the US for sending Jews away to their deaths. I’m saying the US is responsible for the decision it made that day and the role they played in the resulting consequences.”
You are saying the exact same thing.
• “Funny how when the US can send troops to some far off country to kill people it’s, ‘we need to do this to help those in need’.”
You clearly do not have a grasp on US foreign policy or what any of our wars have been about. I don’t have the time nor the patience to explain it to you right now.
• “And obviously, people who try to cross the border and move into our country should go through the proper channels and fill out the correct legal documents.”
Herein lies your ultimate ignorance of the entire situation. We are not putting them through the “proper channels.” They have no proper legal documents. Many of them are not even being picked up by Border Patrol. We are merely handing them a notice to appear in court and letting them loose into the country. Guess what? They’re not showing up for court. They’re off living with their illegal family members all over the country now…maybe even in slums as bad as the ones they came from.
I knew you couldn’t put your empathy where your mouth was. These people (kids and adults) are breaking the law by coming here. They are not here escaping anything but their own country’s poverty, which does not make them refugees. We are not giving them a helping hand, we are giving them a green light to break the law.
You sound like you have a big heart, but you are clearly not very bright.
Yup, sounds about right, Obama is a nut